R/V or not during amendment

[Charan Kumar]

A pilot submits a FP to KSEA as SFO8 OAK BTG OLM6. We give our preferred rte and s/he accept. the clrnc should read:

1. With DEP online
ABC1234 u r cleared to KSEA via the SFO8 DP r/v to RBL J1 BTG then a/f

2. With DEP offline
ABC1234 u r cleared to KSEA via the SFO8 DP RBL J1 BTG then a/f

Is that correct or we don't use the words r/v at all anymore? The amended rte has to be incl in the clrnc upto the point we are changing it, so how does RBL fit in?

[Daniel Oordt]

We don't use radar vectors but instead "the as filed". So with DEP on or off it would be SFO8 dep then as filed or PORTE3 dep CZQ transition, then as filed.

[Steffen Franz]

Daniel is right, no more "r/v to xxx"

two options here.

a) if you haven't cleared him yet, just ask him if he can accept a new/altered route and if the pilot can, just give him the clearance as usual.

b) if you need to change something after you gave him a complete clearance use the phraseology in 4-2-5 Route or Altitude Amendments

Here is an excerpt of that section. Look up the complete section for more information and example phraseology.


a. Amend route of flight in a previously issued
clearance by one of the following:

1. State which portion of the route is being
amended and then state the amendment.
PHRASEOLOGY: CHANGE (portion of route) TO READ (new portion of
route).

2. State the amendment to the route and then
state that the rest of the route is unchanged.
PHRASEOLOGY- (Amendment to route), REST OF ROUTE UNCHANGED.

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3. Issue a clearance “direct” to a point on the previously issued route.
PHRASEOLOGY: CLEARED DIRECT (fix).

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#3 is more for APP/CTR controllers rather than DEL/GND/TWR

4. Issue the entire route by stating the amendment.